Removing Installing Light Seals
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USCamera Light Seal Instructions
Removing Installing Light Seals
Installing light seals requires patience and with detailed USCamera professional instructions, it could not be much easier.
Some customers started a new business by installing light seals in friends’ cameras and as they gained experience, they started servicing equipment for stores in their area. Others purchased collectible equipment needing seals at bargain prices and are able to replace the seals then re-sell the equipment for a profit.
Do be realistic, open your camera, and look at the door channels on the body. Most channels are less than 2 mm wide and you will be working with 2 foam strips to fit in those channels. Also, the door hinge seals and mirror cushions are other seals you will likely replace when installing one of our kits.
We truly enjoy film cameras. We have installed thousands of seals in almost every camera and accessory that required replacements. You can gain from that experience. Plus we use real sample cameras for measurements. That is the only way to make sure our kits fit perfectly. Removing Installing Light Seals
Light Seal Kits
See all light seal kits currently available, start here.
Light Seal Placement Guides
We are revising and adding new light seal placement guides every week, go here.
Placement guides can help, especially when the old light seals have already removed.
Our placement guides show you where to place each seal included in our kits.
Everyone has camera phones now. I encourage taking pictures of your existing seals, as a reminder of what seals you need to install and where the seals are placed in your camera.
Tool List
Solvent – A small amount Naphtha, mineral spirits or your favorite foam solvent. I prefer MEK though great care must be taken when using that solvent.
Tech Note. Some of the newer film cameras use plastic body castings. Make sure your foam solvent is plastic friendly.
A pair of technicians quality curved or straight tweezers. Makes handling smaller pieces of foam easier.
Dental pick
Exacto knife
Kimwipes (or paper towels)
Small brush to apply adhesive delay
Technicians work mat
Toothbrush
Toothpicks (both square and round)
Q-tips with paper sticks
Adhesive delay agent:
Hand Sanitizing Gel 70% Alcohol (like Purell additive-free)
Rubbing alcohol no more than 51%
Water
Organize before you start.
Locate a clean, ventilated work area that is well lit.
Handling the smaller foam pieces is easiest with a pair of tweezers.
The most important and time-consuming work is removing the old seals. Focus on clean, clean, clean. Clean the old residue from the door channels, mirror cushion area, door hinge area and anywhere else you are replacing the seals. The finest adhesive in the world will not adhere to that sticky, gooey residue that was once a quality light seal. Proper installation will give you thousands of light tight exposures.
Put some of your solvent (1 oz) in a small container.
The easiest way to apply the solvent is to take tweezers and put the points into the solvent. Then squeeze the points together, then relax them a little and withdraw the tweezers. Capillary action should have the solvent in between the points. Look carefully at the tweezers’ points while they are in the solvent. You will notice the distance between the tweezers points (as you squeeze and release them) dictates how much solvent the tips will hold. Practice a few times until you can easily fill the tweezers’ points. You can easily direct a drop or less of solvent exactly where you want it.
Apply even smaller amounts by dipping toothpicks into the solvent.
USCamera Tech Note. Several Minolta film camera models from about the late 1960s and on used light seals with the adhesive applied. After applying solvent to the old seal, wait 10-20 seconds and many times with tweezers you can carefully get under the foam seal and get to the tape. Then just peel the entire seal strip off in one piece.
Door channel seals vary in width and a custom tool can easily be made to help remove and push the old foam out. Take a Q-tip (cotton swab) and cut off one of the tips. Then using a small pair of needle-nose pliers squeeze the end carefully until the width fits the door channel. You can easily cut that end with an Exacto knife to a shape that works for you.
The bamboo tool we send with every kit also works well. Use some sandpaper or a fingernail file to sand down the blunt to a narrow chisel point until it fits the body channels. Then it can scrape or push the foam into piles.
Removing Installing Light Seals | The first seals I remove are in the door channels on the camera body
Fill your #5 tweezers points with solvent and carefully moisten the foam in the channels. You must be extra careful around the counter actuation lever opening (upper right-hand corner door channel on many cameras) as you do not want to apply solvent to the interior of the camera.
After a couple of minutes, the residue can be easily removed by pushing it into a pile with a toothpick or the bamboo tool. The residue will just pile up in the channel and can be picked out and wiped out. Wrapping a Kimwipe around the straight tweezers points and dipping that the points in your solvent, also works quite well in the body channels also. We know of several technicians who prefer to use an old toothbrush to brush out the softened foam. Remember clean, clean, clean.
Now clean the door hinge seal area. Here you can lightly moisten q-tips to apply the solvent and then wipe and clean away the residue.
Last, clean the mirror cushion area. Here you must be extremely careful. If the focusing screen is easily removable, remove it. Make sure that no pieces of the old cushion fall onto the focusing screen. If anything contacts the focusing screen it will most likely damage it permanently. We have never found any way to clean a light seal damaged focusing screen or mirror so it would look like new.
Carefully pick and scrape at the remaining cushion towards the lens opening. Some mirror cushions are installed with a peel and stick adhesive. Sometimes it will just peel off the cushion frame.
Prepare yourself
Be rested and relaxed.
You do not have to hurry the install, but be prepared.
All I am trying to do is prepare you for a somewhat precise service that generally requires 10 minutes or less. Installing light seals goes very fast after the camera has been cleaned. You will be surprised how quickly you will finish. If you continue installing light seals, say for your friend’s film cameras, you will be quite proficient after 5 to 10 installations.
Qualify Yourself
This is a technical task however not a difficult task to accomplish. You should have steady hands and not be frustrated easily working with small objects with tools and tweezers. As far as the difficulty level working on photo equipment, using a 1-10 scale, installing light seals is a 3. The skill level required goes up if you are removing covers. You would know your skill and ability better than anyone else.
It is very difficult to damage your camera by performing this service.
I have trained many photo technicians and for the most part, women had better hand-eye coordination, learned quickly, and became proficient much faster at servicing photo or imaging equipment than men.
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Installation
New to installing light seals? I recommend starting with the shorter seals first, such as the door hinge seal. This is a rather short piece and can be handled easily. I do not recommend starting with the mirror cushion seal first.
The replacement seals are cut to exact lengths. Stretching the seals during installation and around corners will result in some leftover foam which can be easily trimmed with an Exacto knife or razor blade. Because of the type of adhesive used, some door hinge, mirror cushion, and other seals do not stretch during installation. Typically, the thinner the width of the seal the easier the material can be stretched and or torn.
Understanding wetting agents as an adhesive delay
When installing seals that already have the adhesive applied requires a different technique than applying seals with no adhesive.
Delaying the adhesive from setting/sticking immediately upon contact is a must. You have less of a chance of a successful install if do not use a wetting agent because of the limited time before the seal has to be placed and positioned. Alcohol has the shortest working time, hand sanitizer the longest and water is somewhere in between.
I personally found water is the best and Purell a close second. Both did not react with the adhesive and gave a workable handling time before the adhesive bonds. Purell makes easy installation where some seals were nearly impossible to install as it needs to be slid into place. Camera manufacturers install many seals to single parts that are part of an assembly, then put it together as a unit.
I check the adhesive bond, by applying water or Purell to the adhesive and then applying the seal material to smooth surface plastic laminate and another sample to painted steel. After the wetting agent dried all foam was damaged somewhat when removal was attempted. The damage was enough that a replacement seal would be required.
We found three ways to delay the adhesive from the setting:
1) alcohol – more on that shortly
2) water/moisture
3) hand sanitizer (Purell), alcohol-based with absolutely no additives, no fragrance, no moisturizers, etc. Any additives will prevent the adhesive from bonding.
Preparing your equipment for new seals.
Remove all the old seals and spotlessly clean where the new seals will be placed. Look down in the door channels, with a magnifying glass if have too and make sure they are spotlessly clean.
Installing the door channel seals can be the most challenging. When installing the door channel seals, always start at the door hinge side and work towards the latch side of the camera. Many ways of applying the door channels or any seals for that matter will work, however, what I am just trying to relay what worked best for me.
Also, if I can see the upper door channel completely, fine. If not, I loosen the top cover screws first and check again. Most of the time the top cover will not have to be removed but sometimes it does. I check the bottom door channels for corner damage and remove the bottom cover if necessary. If the door closes and latches and unlatches easily this usually indicates the channels are ok. If any of the door channels show a little damage, just stretch the seal a little bit and it will fit easily into the damaged channel.
USCamera Tech Note
Camera manufacturers install light seals before the covers are installed. Many times, when the top and bottom covers are installed, it will obscure a clear view of the door channel making it more challenging to install those seals. Over the life of many film cameras, they incur impact damage sometimes at the bottom cover corners. This can damage the door channel at that location. This will constrict that channel some making it a little more difficult to install the seal. Never try and straighten the channel, it will break. See below.
I cannot say this loud enough in this sentence. RESIST the temptation to insert a screwdriver or ? and carefully attempt to straighten the bend in the door channel. Many camera bodies are cast aluminum and some are plastic. You will break off the casting before you believe you have put any pressure on the channel. Lesson learned from experience.
If working on an RB/RZ backs and inserts, I remove the top and bottom covers.
Using water to delay the adhesive
Holding the seal with wet fingers, I remove the backing and apply water liberally (but not soaking) to the seal by dipping clean fingers in a glass of water and gently guiding/carefully pulling the seal around/through my wet fingers. Colorado has a dry climate. I can take a wet seal and place it, remove it and place it again without damaging it. However, after the second time if you have not placed it correctly, re-wet the seal. The results I describe are from testing seal placement on clean door channels of a test camera body. After wetting, I found I had about a minute or so, to place the seal in position before the adhesive started to become tacky. If I placed the seal in the channel and removed it, water would need to be re-applied as it loses moisture when contacting the channel.
Installing the seals
As I said earlier, beginners should install short seals first saving the channel seals and the mirror cushions for last. However, it is of course entirely up to you. Also, you have loosened screws or removed covers to have full access to the channels and other areas requiring seal replacement. You should also have the tools you need within reach. You will also want to confirm the door channels on the camera body are not damaged.
Below I am explaining how I install the seals. Remember, how you install the seals is up to you, but the following is what works for me.
I place the equipment flat, on a tech work mat so the equipment does not slide or move around easily. I take a square toothpick and trim it so it perfectly fits the door channel of the camera I am working on. Make a couple of them. I have several toothpicks and q-tips I have made before. I also often use pointed bamboo sticks to push the seal or hold it in place.
Layout the light seals
I am right-handed. For this seal piece, I rotate the camera so the hinge is on my left.
Select the top door channel seal (which is now on the bottom) starting at the hinge side, with backing on the seal, I hold it up to the channel and size it from the beginning of the channel to the counter lever opening. Then I cut that seal length. The remainder of that seal will fit the rest of the top channel.
I wet my fingers, remove the backing on the short seal and moisten it, making sure that the edges of the adhesive are wet. Then I hold one end of the seal with tweezers and place it in the channel, holding the end I just laid in place with a toothpick, I lay the rest of the seal in position.
Note. Whether installing channel seals on the camera or the back cover, always work from the hinge end towards the latch end until the seal is used up.
Removing Installing Light Seals | Keep your fingers wet
Again with my fingers wet with water, I remove the backing from the remaining top channel seal and moisten the seal. Then starting at the other side of the counter lever opening I place the end of the seal at the beginning of the channel and press about 10 -15 mm of the seal in place with a trimmed toothpick or bamboo stick. Then I hold the other end of that seal with tweezers and guide the remainder of the seal in place. Now with the trimmed toothpick or bamboo stick I carefully press the seal into the channel.
Next, I perform the exact same service installing the bottom channel seal and also install the rest of the seals used on the back cover. Then I close the back cover to seat the seals in position. Last, I install the mirror cushion. Now I open the back cover and leave it open until the seals have completely dried. In the Denver area, this is about 4 – 6 hours.
Using Purell to delay the adhesive
Everything above applies concerning the installation of light seals with the exception of how Purell is applied to the seal and application area. I found it easiest to use a small brush (for example, nail polish brush size) to carefully paint the Purell on the application area and apply the seal. Some installers say they have found it easier to also apply a brushstroke of Purell to the adhesive on the seal itself. Remember you are installing the seal on a fine instrument and do not need a lot of Purell. The more you use the drying time increases.
When using Purell in the Denver area, the average drying time is about 24 hours.
Model Specific Use of Purell
It is almost indispensable when installing the door hinge seal on the Konica C35 and Auto S3. Really helps when sliding that seal under the plate.
Through experience, we have found some seals would like a little adhesive to help keep them in place. Goodyear Pliobond is a great contact cement for this purpose. Remember, you are attaching small pieces of foam to a precise instrument. A toothpick works great for applying just the right amount of adhesive to the foam. Always apply the adhesive to the foam first.
Never try to apply adhesive to areas near the focusing screen. Should adhesive get on the screen it will permanently damage it.
Your comments and questions are always welcome.
As always …………good luck.
The USCamera Team
Removing Installing Light Seals Film Cameras USCamera
Why don’t you have a video? I live in a tropical climate island and I think water could cause mold. For me it is easier to learn from seing. I will try to follow instructions. Thanks
We are working on those. I will send you a link soon. Yes, high humidity will cause mold to grow in the foam. It will also rust and corrode parts of your camera internally. Use air-tight containers with a desiccant inside.
Most helpful, thanks. I am waiting to receive my Mamiya C330F viewfinder foam kit from USCamera. This will be the first time I have installed new seals/foam. Does the viewfinder foam kit come with adhesive already applied i.e. peel off strips and then apply?
Thanks for your comments. Yes the viewfinder foam kit does have the adhesive already applied. Just remove the backing and press into place. Gray
I ordered the light seals do you have any videos showing installation
Thanks Rick ramser
We are working on those. I will send you a link when those are posted. Gray.
Very thorough, thanks. I use bamboo skewers and small pieces of paper towel soaked in either naphtha or rubbing alcohol which I press into the channel with the skewer and push it along the channel making sure I engage the corners. As long as it comes out black I change to a fresh piece of paper towel for the next run and so on until it comes out clean. Then I inspect it with a magnifying glass in sunlight to make sure. Occasionally black paint is rubbed off in small areas. I paint that with Kodak Brushing Lacquer no. 4-dull black but I am not sure that step is necessary?
Touching up with flat black lacquer is not really necessary but certainly makes for a nice finishing touch. Gray
I ordered a few seal kits from you all – quick question, does it matter if I use 99% isopropyl alcohol vs 70% Purel you recommend? Just being cautious as I do not want to damage anything.
Thanks – Tyler
99% is a bit much. Use 50% alcohol and you will be fine. Gray
Couple of observations that may help from my installation experience. I used rubbing alcohol as wetting agent, it worked excellently and just as needed, about a minute of working time which is enough. The most challenging bit was preference of the foam material to naturally curl toward the side with the adhesive, be prepared to deal with it and that in the corners , because of this effect, foam might want to naturally spiral-twist. Instructions are for the full installation of all the seals at once. If not in rush as I was not, installation in related pairs of foam strips may be easier. I installed them in pairs, leaving camera closed for about an hour and than went to the next pair, this helped press seals in by the camera as fast as possible after placement and time to be fully set before proceeding. Excellent product.
That is a great way to apply the the install job to your style of working. Excellent! I am sure you were successful. Gray.
I’m replacing the mirror cushion on my Pentax MX. Please end me a link as well when available.
We stock a mirror cushion kit using foam with the adhesive applied here http://uscamera.com/product/pentax-mx-mirror-cushion-set/. We also make a mirror cushion without adhesive here http://uscamera.com/product/mx-original-style-mirror-cushion/. Good luck, Gray.
I will need light seals for a Nikon EL2. From what I have read online regarding the kit details, the mirror bumper is 2mm in height and the door seal is 1mm in height. Is that correct?
For the Nikon EL2, the door hinge seal is 2mm thick and so is the mirror cushion. Good luck with your install. Gray
Hello
Do you already uploaded a video with instructions ?
We have some videos on camera and lens service. At this time no light seal installation videos. Gray
The top channel on my fujica stx-1 has a metal projection for detecting the back is closed, do I leave a millimetre or so gap in the seal?
That is the counter actuation lever. You do not want to cover the lever or the opening with foam. Let me explain. You want to install the seal right up to the start of the opening and begin again on the other side of it. To measure the foam length required, I use a piece of solder or thin wire, anything like that will work. The length of foam you need is from the start of the top body channel seal at the hinge end to the start of cutout. Solder works best for me. I place it in the channel then I put a dent in it with tweezers when it reaches the lever cutout in the casting. Hope that helps. Good luck.
If you cannot provide a video the next best thing would be some step by step photos. I look at the camera stripped down and I don’t know which foam piece to put where. The package you sent contained zip instructions, nada, nuttin’. Thanks for the pointy thing though. I bought 100 of them at Walmart for $.89.
I’d like to SEE a method. If I’m able to identify which strips go in the tiny slots in the body. I’d like to know how to get them there without getting glue all over the place.
Odd, we ad an info sheet with every kit shipped. To help you we have light seal placement guides for most light seal kits we sell. The Mamiya M645 guide is online here http://uscamera.com/mamiya-m645-placement-guide/ For installation and removal help go here http://uscamera.com/removing-installing-light-seals/
Hi – I just completed the seal installation on my Mamiya Press 23. Your tips were invaluable, since I’m a rank amateur at this. Since I find written instructions easier to follow, I felt no need for a video, and found your instructions to be well-written and very comprehensible. Thanks! However, this was an full afternoon project, NOT ten minutes, and I wouldn’t want to do this for a living!
Nice instruction I like the wet fingers!! Just ordered a kit waiting pensively to do this task.
I ordered a light seal kit for a Nikon FA and installed the foam with great success. Thanks for the instructions!
Thanks for your comments.
Will the foam in your kits eventually disintegrate in the same way the original seals do?
I find that a very interesting question. Over the years I have found common issues with foam degrading over time. High Pollution cities or areas, high humidity, coastal locations and more can play a part in life of camera foam seals. So can the care and storage of your equipment. I say that because I have replaced thousands and thousands of camera seals in the Denver area. Some of those cameras where shipped here from Japan and sold here. Other cameras moved here with their owners. I have several cameras I purchased here used and new. Some of the camera’s foam looks new, like it was installed yesterday. Other equipment the foam has turned into a crusty and crumbly material. Bear in mind that all of my equipment is stored in the same place. Now lets add 1 more variable. The manufacturer. I have brand new seals from Canon, Nikon, Mamiya, Minolta and others purchased in the 90’s. All seals look factory fresh except for the Mamiya and Yashica foam. After several years, it looked like sticky black junk in plastic bags. That tells me something has reacted with the foam. The product, the plastic bag, and the atmosphere around the product had something to do with the foam degrading. There are probably more variables we could apply. Anyway, I have brand new foam here that is 15 years old. Looks new like the day I bought it. This open cell foam is from the current manufacturers we use in Japan. So to answer you question, I think the foam USCamera is currently selling should outlast your camera. However in closing it is important to note, many websites or vendors are selling neoprene foam material. While a that is great product, it does not have the same properties of open cell polyurethane foam. The camera engineers could have chosen any number of materials to keep cameras light tight. I would not use anything other than open cell foam to seal cameras. Gray
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Any instructional videos for yashica mat 124 g light seal installation?
Thanks for contacting me. Sorry, no videos on light seals at this time. We do have removal and installation instructions here http://uscamera.com/removing-installing-light-seals/. For the light seal placement guide for that Yashica model, go here http://uscamera.com/uscamera-light-seal-placement-guide-yashicamat-tlr/. If you have any questions, you can call me anytime. Gray
When replacing the mirror bumper it looks like some alcohol got on the viewfinder and left a watermark. Do I have to take the camera apart to clean this? Should I use purer alcohol?
Thanks for contacting me. Watermarks are hard to remove from focusing screens. Nothing is like replacing the screen with a good one. However, alcohol can stain the screen in more of a chemical way than a watermark. The best way to try to improve it, is to remove the screen from the camera and mist it with a sprayer of distilled water mixed with a few drops of Dawn dish soap. Then blow it dry with filtered compressed air from an air tank. I just hold it between my fingers of a clean hand. We may have a screen for your camera. Contact us with your camera make and model. Gray.
I am sorry, but the Yashica seals you sent me are so solidly glued to the backing that it is impossible to remove it without destroying the seals.
I did not do anything wrong, the seals simply did not come off. I am very disappointed.
Thanks for letting me know your issue. I am glad you found this link fixed your issue with exposing the adhesive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYliIqbaGCs&t=58s
How long do the seals last. Will these seals eventually deteriorate like the original factory seals.
This video will help you. https://uscamera.com/when-are-light-seals-bad/
So for the door channel seals (specifically on the Canon FTb), I am having difficulty getting these long skinny pieces down in the slot without them twisting around as I go along, with e.g. the adhesive ending up facing the side of the channel or even face-out instead of the bottom. Any suggestions? Take the paper backing off as I go along? I worry then about pulling the adhesive off the foam instead of off the backing. By getting the backing off at the start (and wetting the adhesive), I can concentrate on getting clean backing separation as a single concentrated operation. I’m using water and wetting, so I can do some correction as I go, but that thing is the craziest tiny noodle to keep oriented.
Thanks!
I feel you, Bill L. The long one kept twisting and stretching. I got so frustrated that I just balled it up and threw it away. I wish they included some extras for mistakes. I hate working with minuscule things. Do I pay someone to install? Ugh I hope they can discount since I did a very thorough job cleaning all the old gunk.
I always appreciate your comments and I reply to all of them. Next, I approve them for all customers to read. Installing light seal foam can be very challenging for anyone. I do not recommend customers installing light seals especially if they do not like working in tight areas, and carefully installing small parts. Cameras are like that. That being said, until you have installed several foam pieces, you must use an adhesive delay to give yourself time to position and reposition the foam seal. I almost always use water on the mirror cushion to make absolutely sure it is centered properly. Instructions for installing light seals is available here, https://uscamera.com/removing-installing-light-seals/. In addition, working with thin strips of adhesive backed foam, and applying them can be difficult. Camera technicians never use door channel seals with adhesive, only non-adhesive foam that is glued down with Pliobond. It is much easier to install, keep straight, and square in the channels. Though still requires practice, a syringe, 22g needle, Pliobond, and acetone to thin the Pliobond. Plus, always practice, practice, and practice to assure a precise application. Lastly, if you did a good job removing all the old foam, I can give you break on the labor cost to foam your camera.
Hi.
I just received and installed the seals for the Koni-Omega Rapid film back. The product looks great and the fit is perfect. The instructions on this page are very useful with one big omission. I followed all the instructions on this page, I got tweezers the water handy to delay the adhesive (great suggestion BTW), and so on. I’m used to building models and doing work of precision. I’m a very patient guy but removing the backing paper was the thing that stopped me. I almost ruined one of the pieces in the set even when using tweezers to try to peel off the paper.
The trick that you have on your Youtube video is perfect! Once you see it, it takes minutes to do the whole job.
Why don’t you have that video at the top of the page, prominently labeled? In fact, it would be best to embed it in the page.
It was only by chance, because I read all the comments, that I found it. That can save a lot of people a lot of frustration and possibly a lot of support calls/messages for you.
Very happy with the product, thank you for making it available.